WAY too much information about Zhie
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purrsia keeps mentioning the group fanficrants and though I usually gloss over such things, this was too much fun not to write up. And then, since it's on a public group somewheres, it seems sad not to share with the rest of you. Um, but, Maggie and Monty - cover yer eyes when you get to paragraphs six and seven unless you want nightmares. And the rest of you, you've been warned. Make that warned twice. Hell, I know you'll all read anyhow...
Oral sex. Not the sort of way one begins a conversation in the company of strangers. Yet, the discussion has been put forth, and questions arise. Who doesn’t participate in such a thing? Why wouldn’t they? Are cucumbers fuzzy, and should they be shaved or peeled?
There is a very good reason why caution should be had when engaging in oral sex. Sexually transmitted diseases can be contracted not only by having the more ‘customary’ forms of sexual contact, but also via the mouth.
Statistically, in terms of the risk of contracting HIV/AIDS, there is a zero chance of this happening, according to a 2001 study at the University of California, San Francisco, Center for AIDS Prevention Studies. However, that doesn’t count for things that are flubbed or accidentally done, and quite honestly, how many people are concerning themselves with doing things specific to the clinical definition of sexual activities?
Even if following all safety procedures, there is still the fact that HIV isn’t the only sexually transmitted disease. For instance, herpes is a great concern for those engaging in oral sex. Not only is the ‘usual’ form, oral herpes or ‘cold sores’, transmittable, but so is HSV-1, a type of genital herpes. Herpes, for those who recall their sex education classes, is the sort of disease which doesn’t just go away. But, perhaps headaches and genital sores aren’t such a great concern for all of the general public.
And now for some numbers (and mortifyd, although you came off as a nasty, nasty person the way you jumped on 100years in the very beginning, you can thank me later for digging up an assload of statistics to support your ‘this activity’ claims earlier. I do take Visa, but not American Express. Visa: It’s everywhere you wanna be. Cheesecake is also acceptable bribage.). A survey in the United Kingdom found that approximately 25% of men in their 20s had not experienced oral sex. However, a more in-depth survey conducted by the Kinsey Institute in 1991 found that 97% of sexually active adults participated at least once in oral-genital activities. In an earlier survey from the 1970s, “39 per cent of women receive cunnilingus often, 48 per cent occasionally, six per cent once, and only seven per cent never”. The reverse statistics, men receiving fellatio, were similar.
Unfortunately, and herein the dilemma lies, I was unable to find any works, scholarly or within the public sector, pertaining to the spit or swallow decision made during the act of fellatio. So, now you get to hear my own opinions injected in, God help you all. As to the over-use of the ingesting of bodily fluids, I, on a personal level, agree. I’m in the ‘married with an active sex life’ category, and with an open line of communication with my dear husband, who will be rolling his eyes when I tell him later he was used in a pseudo-scholarly article on oral sex.
Personally, I have a terrible gag reflex, and have found that if there’s one thing less appealing than no oral sex, it’s choking half-way through the act. I can use it in conjunction with other methods, though, and because variety is the spice of life, why not? Though in my mind I know that simply kissing someone spreads more germs than swallowing sperm would, I still have to make my checkmark in the spitters category. Thus, I have to, from a personal point of view, agree with 100Years, in that there are quite a lot of unrealistic or inflated sex scenes written fictionally. But, fiction is an escape for most, so this is to be expected. Authors also draw on their own experiences, and if 97% of sexually active persons overall holds true for writers, then it’s not completely bizarre that there would be a number of scenes with oral sex in them.
Now, as for the claim that NC17s everywhere have everyone swallowing secretions of all kinds, well… I don’t know which fandom you’re referring to. I know I myself, when writing NC17 stories, don’t use this as the culmination of every sexual act. In fact, I’ve even got a character who has a little trouble in the whole oral sex department, and I have some who altogether just don’t go there. Both of the fandoms I play in are diverse – if they weren’t, we might as well all just copy and paste the same smut scenes and be done with it. But, perhaps the fandom you’re reading isn’t as creative in their ventures, or perhaps the majority of the readers are interested in ‘this activity’, and that is what drives the writers to continue with the theme. A supply vs. demand technique.
I guess what I would do is go to a mailing list or a group or something for the fandom you’re interested in reading these types of things in, and post a message asking for someone to point you in the direction of NC17 without oral sex in it, or without oral sex with swallowing in it (there’s gotta be terminology for that, someone please clue me in to the term. First person to give me the correct answer gets a shaved or peeled cucumber). I wish you luck in finding what you’re looking for.
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References
Blundy, Anna. “Women and Men: Does Sex Matter?”. The Independent. London (UK): Aug 20, 1995. pg. 12
Doheny, Kathleen. “Genital Herpes Epidemic Grows; Diagnoses Are Up 30% Since '70s, but Earlier Treatment May Reduce or Eliminate Recurring Outbreaks”. Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: Jan 19, 1998. pg. 1
Kirby, David. “Oral Sex ‘Statistically’ Safe?”. The Advocate. Los Angeles: Sep 25, 2001. , Iss. 847; pg. 21
Reinisch, June. “Best way to know your spouse's desires is simply to ask”. The Ottawa Citizen. Ottawa, Ont.: Feb 7, 1992. pg. B.7
purrsia keeps mentioning the group fanficrants and though I usually gloss over such things, this was too much fun not to write up. And then, since it's on a public group somewheres, it seems sad not to share with the rest of you. Um, but, Maggie and Monty - cover yer eyes when you get to paragraphs six and seven unless you want nightmares. And the rest of you, you've been warned. Make that warned twice. Hell, I know you'll all read anyhow...Oral sex. Not the sort of way one begins a conversation in the company of strangers. Yet, the discussion has been put forth, and questions arise. Who doesn’t participate in such a thing? Why wouldn’t they? Are cucumbers fuzzy, and should they be shaved or peeled?
There is a very good reason why caution should be had when engaging in oral sex. Sexually transmitted diseases can be contracted not only by having the more ‘customary’ forms of sexual contact, but also via the mouth.
Statistically, in terms of the risk of contracting HIV/AIDS, there is a zero chance of this happening, according to a 2001 study at the University of California, San Francisco, Center for AIDS Prevention Studies. However, that doesn’t count for things that are flubbed or accidentally done, and quite honestly, how many people are concerning themselves with doing things specific to the clinical definition of sexual activities?
Even if following all safety procedures, there is still the fact that HIV isn’t the only sexually transmitted disease. For instance, herpes is a great concern for those engaging in oral sex. Not only is the ‘usual’ form, oral herpes or ‘cold sores’, transmittable, but so is HSV-1, a type of genital herpes. Herpes, for those who recall their sex education classes, is the sort of disease which doesn’t just go away. But, perhaps headaches and genital sores aren’t such a great concern for all of the general public.
And now for some numbers (and mortifyd, although you came off as a nasty, nasty person the way you jumped on 100years in the very beginning, you can thank me later for digging up an assload of statistics to support your ‘this activity’ claims earlier. I do take Visa, but not American Express. Visa: It’s everywhere you wanna be. Cheesecake is also acceptable bribage.). A survey in the United Kingdom found that approximately 25% of men in their 20s had not experienced oral sex. However, a more in-depth survey conducted by the Kinsey Institute in 1991 found that 97% of sexually active adults participated at least once in oral-genital activities. In an earlier survey from the 1970s, “39 per cent of women receive cunnilingus often, 48 per cent occasionally, six per cent once, and only seven per cent never”. The reverse statistics, men receiving fellatio, were similar.
Unfortunately, and herein the dilemma lies, I was unable to find any works, scholarly or within the public sector, pertaining to the spit or swallow decision made during the act of fellatio. So, now you get to hear my own opinions injected in, God help you all. As to the over-use of the ingesting of bodily fluids, I, on a personal level, agree. I’m in the ‘married with an active sex life’ category, and with an open line of communication with my dear husband, who will be rolling his eyes when I tell him later he was used in a pseudo-scholarly article on oral sex.
Personally, I have a terrible gag reflex, and have found that if there’s one thing less appealing than no oral sex, it’s choking half-way through the act. I can use it in conjunction with other methods, though, and because variety is the spice of life, why not? Though in my mind I know that simply kissing someone spreads more germs than swallowing sperm would, I still have to make my checkmark in the spitters category. Thus, I have to, from a personal point of view, agree with 100Years, in that there are quite a lot of unrealistic or inflated sex scenes written fictionally. But, fiction is an escape for most, so this is to be expected. Authors also draw on their own experiences, and if 97% of sexually active persons overall holds true for writers, then it’s not completely bizarre that there would be a number of scenes with oral sex in them.
Now, as for the claim that NC17s everywhere have everyone swallowing secretions of all kinds, well… I don’t know which fandom you’re referring to. I know I myself, when writing NC17 stories, don’t use this as the culmination of every sexual act. In fact, I’ve even got a character who has a little trouble in the whole oral sex department, and I have some who altogether just don’t go there. Both of the fandoms I play in are diverse – if they weren’t, we might as well all just copy and paste the same smut scenes and be done with it. But, perhaps the fandom you’re reading isn’t as creative in their ventures, or perhaps the majority of the readers are interested in ‘this activity’, and that is what drives the writers to continue with the theme. A supply vs. demand technique.
I guess what I would do is go to a mailing list or a group or something for the fandom you’re interested in reading these types of things in, and post a message asking for someone to point you in the direction of NC17 without oral sex in it, or without oral sex with swallowing in it (there’s gotta be terminology for that, someone please clue me in to the term. First person to give me the correct answer gets a shaved or peeled cucumber). I wish you luck in finding what you’re looking for.
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References
Blundy, Anna. “Women and Men: Does Sex Matter?”. The Independent. London (UK): Aug 20, 1995. pg. 12
Doheny, Kathleen. “Genital Herpes Epidemic Grows; Diagnoses Are Up 30% Since '70s, but Earlier Treatment May Reduce or Eliminate Recurring Outbreaks”. Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: Jan 19, 1998. pg. 1
Kirby, David. “Oral Sex ‘Statistically’ Safe?”. The Advocate. Los Angeles: Sep 25, 2001. , Iss. 847; pg. 21
Reinisch, June. “Best way to know your spouse's desires is simply to ask”. The Ottawa Citizen. Ottawa, Ont.: Feb 7, 1992. pg. B.7
